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The KBA recently released its own test results of the controversial coolant that Mercedes claims is too flammable to be put it its vehicles. These results say that though the coolant is flammable, it is an acceptable level of risk.the KBA further claims that Mercedes-Benz' tests subjected the coolant to extreme situations that would not ever occur in real life.

Mercedes-Benz disputes this. A spokesman says, "We have tests, in real life, in an environment that is not surreal."

So its a good ol' fashioned stand-off. Mercedes has a a date with the French Council of State to appeal the ban of its vehicles next week. Right now the A-Class, B-Class, CLA and SL are all banned from sale in France.
 

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This debate is more then just a safety debate.

The underlying cause is very political and economical. Read into it.
 

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This debate is more then just a safety debate.

The underlying cause is very political and economical. Read into it.
Yea, it really is a battle about power and money. Only one company makes this new chemical, so they are going to make a fortune. The only thing that stands in its way is Mercedes-Benz. There was definitely some back room deals that led to the company getting its coolant chosen as THE coolant.

I don't see Mercedes winning this in the end.
 

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Now Toyota is joining Mercedes-Benz in using the banned refrigerant R134a in Europe. Toyota still has a permit that allows them to use the refrigerant, so they are basically using a loophole.

The reason why Toyota is using R134a? Because Mercedes-Benz scared Germans and other Europeans away from buying cars using the allegedly dangerously flammable refrigerant R1234yf.
 

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there are other countries that are banning certain brake fluids now apparently.

seems like this debate got the ball rolling for automotive fluid inspections?
 

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The French court is supposed to decide today whether or not the French government will continue to suspend the sale of Mercedes-Benz vehicles in France today. If I had to make a prediction, I would say the ban will stand.

Any predictions from you guys?
 

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The French court is supposed to decide today whether or not the French government will continue to suspend the sale of Mercedes-Benz vehicles in France today. If I had to make a prediction, I would say the ban will stand.

Any predictions from you guys?
The news is in!

Daimler AG won a ruling from the highest administrative court in France to resume sales of its A-Class, B-Class, CLA and SL-Class on Hexagon turf.

Not even really sure why the court made the decision that it did, but I am sure that there are many Frenchmen that are happy to hear that they will be able to drive their Benzes around very soon.

There will most likely be a response by the French government, but who knows what that will be...
 

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The news is in!

Daimler AG won a ruling from the highest administrative court in France to resume sales of its A-Class, B-Class, CLA and SL-Class on Hexagon turf.

Not even really sure why the court made the decision that it did, but I am sure that there are many Frenchmen that are happy to hear that they will be able to drive their Benzes around very soon.

There will most likely be a response by the French government, but who knows what that will be...
Its about time they got passed this stupidness. Finally those people can start engine the Benzes we get to where we live :)
 

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Its about time they got passed this stupidness. Finally those people can start engine the Benzes we get to where we live :)
It may not quite be over yet. The ruling only lifts the sales ban, but the coolant is still not legal in France and the rest of the EU. The French government could appeal or find some other way to disrupt Mercedes' business. Winding down, but not quite over yet.
 

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This debate is more then just a safety debate.

The underlying cause is very political and economical. Read into it.
Very much so, Hollande and Merkel have never been nose to nose since the French Socialists gained power. Hollande is bleeding the French auto industry dry by forcing them to carry dead weight employees in superfluous positions. Either hes trying to protect national interests or was gunning for a massive settlement fee from Mercedes.

Most interesting through this has been the toll on the French Mercedes dealer network. Many of them have been needing payday advances just to service their bills. Not to mention how customers who havent been able to get their hands on their CLA or A have been put in loner vehicles or rental vehicles at an expense to the dealers.

Now I wonder if new CLA owners will have trouble registering them for insurance in France?
 
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